Cz -> EN two sentences

Discussion in 'Vocabulary & Translation Help' started by rfp, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. rfp

    rfp Active Member

    I'm almost finished reading the article I was working through, two sentences giving me trouble:


    arterialni konec je fixovan pomoci aortlnich oblouku prochazejicich žabernimi oblouky

    The arterial end is fixated by the aortal arches "prochazejicich?" the baranchial arches?


    vytvořem a splynutim hlavnich endocardovym polštářů se rozděli kanal na levy a pravy


  2. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    "prochazejicich" = I guess "carousing through" would be closest

    "vytvořem a splynutim hlavnich endocardovym polštářů se rozděli kanal na levy a pravy"

    by the creation and melding of main endocardial cushions the channel divides into left and right...

    I am a speech path, not a cardiologist, so this is the best I can do :)
  3. Karel_lerak

    Karel_lerak Well-Known Member

    I am not a cardiologist, too :) and not a native english speaker :):)
  4. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    I am not a cardiology EITHER (not 'too)
  5. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    oops, typo,
    I am not a cardiologist EITHER, and neither am I a native english speaker

    And yes, Karel, we can tell :)
    and neither am I
  6. Karel_lerak

    Karel_lerak Well-Known Member

    "I am not, too" is czenglish, not english :) Thanks :)

    Já také nejsem kardiolog.
    Já jsem také kardiolog.
    In czech use "také" in both cases
  7. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    Ano, Karle, ja vim ze co uzivaji v cestine - ja jsem Ceska :)
  8. Karel_lerak

    Karel_lerak Well-Known Member

    Předpokládám, že si to čte i někdo jiný než bezprostřední účastnící dialogu - rozhodně nechci poučovat 8) A jsem moc vděčný za jakoukoliv opravu, díky :!:
  9. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    Funny, going back to the original post and seeing what it was about - and where it ended :)
    Let's hear it for the "Czech need for perfection". We all have something to learn :0)
  10. rfp

    rfp Active Member

    Thank you both,

    I was working with "Ambling through"instead of "carousing through", just as confusing! Passing through makes things a bit easier.

    However, in the translation of the second it's a bit ambiguous whether "vytvořem a splynutim" means "because" of the formation and fusion or "during" the formation and fusion. Any ideas?

    "By" is a really common Czech to English translation i've noticed that leaves things a bit unclear sometimes. A bit like translating "Delat" as "makes" rather than "does", it can work for both in czech but in english i've heard czech native speakers ask what a particular structure or muscle, etc, "makes" rather than "does". "By" can mean though the action of (ie because) or possibly while something else is happening.

    I'm only learning czech at the moment but find the different ways these words are used interesting.

    And yes, it's pretty funny how far these topics can diverge from the original question!

  11. scrimshaw

    scrimshaw Well-Known Member

    If I may join in this obsession for grammatical correctness :D

    Another option
    I am not a cardiologist either, nor am I a.............
    nor=and also not

    neither can also have a significantly different meaniing
    neither=not one(out of two)==opposite of both

    Neither of those two know how to tell the truth
  12. Karel_lerak

    Karel_lerak Well-Known Member

    = ani jeden z nich/ani jeden z těch dvou nevěděl, jak říct/říci/přiznat pravdu

    Taky se moc rád nechám poučit :)
  13. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    It's difficult to say, I based the translation exactly on what the Czech text offered. It may help to have the full paragraph, or more of a context. My background is neuroanatomy and neurophysiology, and in my field, the only time I wory about cardiac problems is when the treatment interferes with the function of recurrent branch of CN X :)
  14. rfp

    rfp Active Member

    I'm afraid that's all there was, it was a few bullet points on development, something i'm studying / translating.

    Btw, i'm not a cardiologist either! ;) Just a student.

    And to go even futher off topic, why the recurrent branch in particular?

  15. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    ok, rfp, this is then from embryology. I studied oro-facial embryology only, but I'll check to see if my old textbooks have any references to it.
    Good luck meanwhile...
  16. Kanadanka

    Kanadanka Well-Known Member

    Because it wraps around the aorta, and can be damaged during cardiac surgery. And since I work with speech and swallowing disorders, and CNX recurrent branch innervates most of the laryngeal muscles, I am highly interested in its status :)
  17. rfp

    rfp Active Member

    Thanks. I was being a bit dense i'm afraid, read your original as meaning when your treatment interfered with X and resulted in cardiac problems. Like I say, dense :?

  18. scrimshaw

    scrimshaw Well-Known Member

    Jsem zvědav, proč používáš člany z lékarskách knih k učení česky?
    Those must be the hardest of all to translate.
    Jsi pravděpodobně student léku na univerzitě.
  19. Karel_lerak

    Karel_lerak Well-Known Member

  20. rfp

    rfp Active Member

    zvědav? Does this mean the same as zajímalo by mne? I'm interested?

    And yes, I study medicine in Prague. A large amount of the anatomy here is taught directly from three textbooks by a czech Prof. čihak. It has a differnet structure and focus sometimes than the equivalent english texts. (And quite a few questions get pulled directly from them :) )They are reallly nice books though and i'm amazed at how quickly i'm starting to be able to read them. It's pretty easy to just ignore quite a bit of the grammer when reading descriptive stuff. Certainly easier than the Letopisy Narnie i'm trying to read!

    And thank you for pravděpodobně, I didn't know that word.


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