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Ctyri koruny
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Postby Ctyri koruny » 26-Aug-08 13:56

Am I right in thinking there are no modal verbs in Czech?

Bare in mind I haven't even got past the present tense yet! I'm no where near conditionals!
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Postby KiwiCroat » 26-Aug-08 23:39

Hey Ctyri Koruny.

There definitely are modal verbs in Czech... kinda hard to escape 'em generally (is it possible to not have modal verbs??)

Anyway, the main ones are:

Moct/moci - Can
Muset - To be able to
Chtit - To want
Umět - To know how to
Smět - May

E.g.

-Můžu si vzít ten malý kousek? (Can I take that small piece.)
-Ano, můžete. (Yes, you can.)

-Musím si koupit jízdenku do telče. Musíte si taky koupit jízdenku? (I have to buy myself a ticket to Telč. Do you have to buy a ticket also?)

-Chci něco k jídlu. (I want something to eat.)
-Chcete slyšet nějakou zprávu? (Do you want to hear some news.)

-Umíte dobře Česky! (You Czech well.)

-Smíme tady kouřit? (May I smoke here.)
-Ne, nesmíte. (No you may not.)

You will notice that since you can use two verbs in a sentence using modal verbs, you must use the infinitive of the verb following the modal verb.

Also, to learn Czech properly (you ound really keen) make sure you are using correct Czech at all times. Go here: http://czech.typeit.org/

Hope this helps.
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Postby Ctyri koruny » 27-Aug-08 12:57

KiwiCroat wrote:Hey Ctyri Koruny.

There definitely are modal verbs in Czech... kinda hard to escape 'em generally (is it possible to not have modal verbs??)


Korean only has three modal verbs, I forget which three, but I know it causes them extreme difficulty using the others in English. Irish doesn't have any really, well I suppose... it's more about how you arrange the sentence and the verb endings you use, there arn't any actually "words" you trow in there just because a sentence starts with If (Dá mbeach, Mná) or is otherwise hypothetical.


If I remember right in my limited understanding of Korean grammar when you want to say someone "can" do something you say they have it, "He has run" "He has English" same with Irish, but in Irish you could also say "has the ability to" .
Irish:
"Tá Bearla agam."
(There is English I have) / I have Enligsh
"Táim abalta caint as Bearla"
I am able to talk in English.
(im is the "I" ending of Tá, same as in Czech!, Tá means lots of different things, you might already have noticed)

I find the similarities between Czech and Irish fascinating, I think I'll write a short essay on it next year, when I have enough information about Czech!
It would be better written by someone who was fluent in both languages, maybe some day!



Anyway, the main ones are:

Moct/moci - Can
Muset - To be able to
Chtit - To want
Umět - To know how to
Smět - May

E.g.

-Můžu si vzít ten malý kousek? (Can I take that small piece.)
-Ano, můžete. (Yes, you can.)

-Musím si koupit jízdenku do telče. Musíte si taky koupit jízdenku? (I have to buy myself a ticket to Telč. Do you have to buy a ticket also?)

-Chci něco k jídlu. (I want something to eat.)
-Chcete slyšet nějakou zprávu? (Do you want to hear some news.)

-Umíte dobře Česky! (You Czech well.)

-Smíme tady kouřit? (May I smoke here.)
-Ne, nesmíte. (No you may not.)

You will notice that since you can use two verbs in a sentence using modal verbs, you must use the infinitive of the verb following the modal verb.

Also, to learn Czech properly (you sound really keen) make sure you are using correct Czech at all times. Go here: http://czech.typeit.org/

Hope this helps.
Fred



That does help! Thanks so much, I'll make a note of it. And the Czech keyboard too!

One question, Muset, it has two functions? or it is "must"?
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Postby KiwiCroat » 27-Aug-08 16:18

Hi again,

'Muset' is kinda tricky in that it doesn't directly translate into english as must and must not:

Musím jít do samoobsluhy. (I have to/must go to the supermarket)

Nemusíte jít do obchodu. (You don't have to go to the shop)

To say "You must not" use smět:

Nesmíte jít ven. (You must not go out).

So it is useful to say 'muset' means necessity (have to/don't have to) rather than must.

One other modal verb is to use 'mít' with an infinitive verb to mean 'ought to/should'. Note the difference:

Mám velký problém. (I have a big problem).

Mám si koupit ten modrý svetr? (Should I buy that blue sweater?)

Or a more expanded question: Co si mám dneska vybrat k obědu? (What should I choose for lunch today?)

Of course, you can use the same mechanisms in he past tense and conditional.

Hopes this helps.
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Postby Ctyri koruny » 27-Aug-08 16:46

KiwiCroat wrote:Hi again,

'Muset' is kinda tricky in that it doesn't directly translate into english as must and must not:

Musím jít do samoobsluhy. (I have to/must go to the supermarket)

Nemusíte jít do obchodu. (You don't have to go to the shop)

To say "You must not" use smět:

Nesmíte jít ven. (You must not go out).

So it is useful to say 'muset' means necessity (have to/don't have to) rather than must.

One other modal verb is to use 'mít' with an infinitive verb to mean 'ought to/should'. Note the difference:

Mám velký problém. (I have a big problem).

Mám si koupit ten modrý svetr? (Should I buy that blue sweater?)

Or a more expanded question: Co si mám dneska vybrat k obědu? (What should I choose for lunch today?)

Of course, you can use the same mechanisms in he past tense and conditional.

Hopes this helps.


That's great thanks!

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