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durk
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| Ale kuš : what does this mean?? |
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eso
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 9:23 |
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| durk wrote: |
| Ale kuš : what does this mean?? |
Well, kuš alone could be "kuše" - crossbow 
But "Ale kuš!" or "Kuš!" is common expression for something like "chuck it!" or "stop it!" - it's kind of admonition or disagreement.
Example:
A: Mám novou kolegyni, je docela mladá.
B: Aha, máš choutky, co?
A: Ale kuš! |
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wer
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 11:24 |
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| eso wrote: |
| Well, kuš alone could be "kuše" - crossbow |
Yes, but in this case it is a verb, right?
“Ale” means “but” and my dictionary states that “belt up” is the English equivalent of “kuš(te)”.
kuš - singular form
kušte - plural/formal form
classic examples:
Kušte, Švejku! (the most common first lieutenant Lukáš’s quote)
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Kušte, kluci, darebáci,
Češi, Rusi i Poláci!
Drže huby nevymyté, to vám povídám,
sic vám je tu dohromady všechněm
nabaňkám.
Rus a Polák - Čech a Slovan - to že vám
je rovno?
Dobytkové! Co vám z toho všeho pojde? -
h - ! (from KHB’s Epigrams) |
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eso
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 11:36 |
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| eso wrote: |
| Well, kuš alone could be "kuše" - crossbow |
Yes, but in this case it is a verb, right?
Yes, it's "kušovat", but I don't know origin.
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 11:39 |
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I found it's from French "couche" - Lie down! (dog command)
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 12:25 |
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Aha then I should have known it  |
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Sova
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 13:48 |
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| If I understand correctly, from everyone has said, this is not meant in any real anger, but just said (for example) when someone is engaging in mild, good-natured teasing to get them to stop. In that case, here are some other possible (American) English translations: Stow it! Can it! Knock it off! Cut it out! Quit it! (Although these can be meant either in anger or somewhat playfully, dependent on tone of voice and context). |
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eso
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 15:03 |
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| Sova wrote: |
| If I understand correctly, from everyone has said, this is not meant in any real anger, but just said (for example) when someone is engaging in mild, good-natured teasing to get them to stop. |
Yes, exactly.
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| Posted: 10-Apr-07 21:57 |
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| eso wrote: |
| wer wrote: |
| eso wrote: |
| Well, kuš alone could be "kuše" - crossbow |
Yes, but in this case it is a verb, right? |
Yes, it's "kušovat", but I don't know origin. |
Well, I’m in doubts because imperative forms of verb “kušovat” are “kušuj, kušujme, kušujte”. I’m not even sure what’s the correct infinitive corresponding to “kuš”. One of my dictionaries even states it’s an interjection, but I disagree with it - it’s definitely conjugated.
For “kušovat” the dictionary states:
1) hunting terminology, from French “coucher”
put a dog into a lying down position with the head on the forepaws and hind legs bended aside the body
2) transfered from 1), roughly
be quiet, not to be allowed to speak/meddle
3) old Czech verb cognate to “kus”
share, participate, partake or even interfere, meddle
Well, 1) agrees with eso’s source, but 2) and 3) confuse me a little because they’re contradictory. But it’s right that “kušuj” and “nekušuj” are used often in the same meaning, so maybe…
And in addition, there exists also a verb “fušovat” (definitely derived from the name of Joseph Fouché) which means “interfere into somebody else’s work/authority”.
| Sova wrote: |
| If I understand correctly, from everyone has said, this is not meant in any real anger, but just said (for example) when someone is engaging in mild, good-natured teasing to get them to stop. |
Both “kuš(te)” and “kušuj(te)” are quite rude, but in Czech you can always use rude words in an ironic way. The intonation is crucial.
Well, a good-natured teasing… When playing mariáš, I use a “Kuš!” to repel kibitzers .
The “ale” understates the meaning of “ale kuš”, this phrase is mostly used for an (outraged) disagreement (eso wrote it at the very beginning). It means somethink like “Stop elaborate about it, it’s bulls**t!” or “Don’t try to deceive us!”. |
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eso
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| Posted: 11-Apr-07 5:12 |
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| wer wrote: |
Both “kuš(te)” and “kušuj(te)” are quite rude, but in Czech you can always use rude words in an ironic way. The intonation is crucial.
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Well, I'm afraid that nowadays are commonly used much more rude words on a daily basis.
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