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PostPosted: 13-Aug-08 12:49  Reply with quote

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Are we next "peacekeeping" target?

No, that's Transnistria or Belarus.

Maybe Ukraine?

Yes as a place of disputes, but not as a target of "peackeeping" since Ukraine is of different boxing weight.
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Ukraine is investigating claims that Russia has been distributing passports in the port of Sevastopol, raising fears that the Kremlin could be stoking separatist sentiment in the Crimea as a prelude to possible military intervention.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2575421/Russia-distributing-passports-in-the-Crimea.html
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PostPosted: 05-Sep-08 21:59  Reply with quote

i was just wondering why russia didn't recognize "kosovo" defending the natural and legal RIGHTS of serbia (and I agrre with this position) and few months later russia fight for the s.ossetia indipendence, breaking the natural and territorial international rights of georgia?

why russia supports s.ossetia freedom and doesn't allow the cecenia's freedom?
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PostPosted: 08-Sep-08 16:27  Reply with quote

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why russia supports s.ossetia freedom and doesn't allow the Chechnya's freedom?

Why not? After all, I suppose there are soldiers, who'd rather shoot themselves in the foot that shoot the enemy ...
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PostPosted: 10-Sep-08 21:19  Reply with quote

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What I can't understand is why Russia granted Russian citizenship to South Ossetians when it has been a part of the Georgian Republic (and Georgian SSR before that) for decades. Hence, of course, Russia sees this as protecting their own citizens, who interestingly enough want to be independent of both Russia and Georgia.

And yes, I agree that the US has no business there.


South Ossetians count themselves to be just Ossetians and North Ossetia (larger then South Ossetia) is autonomy in Russian Federation. When would be both regions united it will become part of Russia. Hence Russia count all Ossetians rightfull citizens of RF.


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i was just wondering why russia didn't recognize "kosovo" defending the natural and legal RIGHTS of serbia (and I agrre with this position) and few months later russia fight for the s.ossetia indipendence, breaking the natural and territorial international rights of georgia?

why russia supports s.ossetia freedom and doesn't allow the cecenia's freedom?


It is revenge for Kosovo, of course. Very Happy


In fact - South Ossetians have the same right to be independent country like Georgia have. Such thing Russian do not like to hear cause it means that also autonomies inside RF have the same right. By this reason Russsia originally did not recgonized South Ossetia. When Georgia invaded South Ossetia and was wiped out by Russians thereafter then RF catched the chance to weaken Georgia by freeing Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Russians argue it by genocide and leading case Kosovo, they will newer argue it by right of Soviet autonomies to become independent countries. Hence it does not apply to "Cecnya cause".

My opinion is that RF recognized South Ossetia because of big pressure from US. It is just way how Russians thinks. If it was no pressure then Russian would newer go so far. Anyway what could Russians leaders lose. The pressure was already in place and acting this way is in accordance with Russian nature. Hence they ppl would like them and international pressure should hardly be larger.
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PostPosted: 20-Sep-08 21:12  Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I think Russia also wanted to screw up the Euro/American natural gas pipeline coming out of the Caspian and flowing through Georgia to Turkey. I think Russia wants to hold Europe hostage through energy so they can reassert themselves as dominant.

The EU couldn't put sanctions on Russia if it wanted to. Everyone's natural gas would dry up.

I'm curious, does anyone know if natural gas prices went up since Georgia happened? That would mean increased profits for Russian companies of course.
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PostPosted: 21-Sep-08 17:03  Reply with quote

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The EU couldn't put sanctions on Russia if it wanted to. Everyone's natural gas would dry up.

No, it would not. Russia is more dependent on European money than Europe on Russian supplies. Consider the Western Europe survived the Cold War without Russian supplies.

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I'm curious, does anyone know if natural gas prices went up since Georgia happened? That would mean increased profits for Russian companies of course.

No, the price dropped down because of lower demand on western markets affected by the crisis of American banks. Putin was forced to support the Russian banks with the money he planned to use for arming.
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