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PostPosted: 17-Apr-09 22:34  Reply with quote

scrimshaw wrote:
Maybe this will help....even though it looks like it could be broken into syllables...it is not
some might say or-inge
but it mostly pronounced altogether with no stops or pauses
Remember this....the A is silent...not pronounced.

ORNdž...the dž sound is exactly the same as first (or last ge) in the name
George

I simply can’t believe “orndž” could be one single syllable. “Ordž” is possible, like in “George”, but “orndž” is too much. There must be some nucleus in the “rndž” sound (schwa or another vowel, eventually a syllabic r) and thus the “o” must be a syllable on its own.

bibax wrote:
You have a different terminology.

More precisel…

Maybe different, but not wrong. Wink

Scrimshaw’s terminology is orthographic (traditional, based on old English pronunciation), yours is phonetic.
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PostPosted: 17-Apr-09 23:02  Reply with quote

That's interesting. But oddly enough, in the southern style, there is no stop whatsoever in that word. It just all runs together. Very Happy

Dipthongs are rare in american english
auto...is not pronounced with a dipthong....it is pronounced aw-to

Interesting though, in the deep southern states, Mississipi, Alabamba, Georgia, they create dipthongs where no dipthong should be....that is called the southern drawl (lenghtening of the word)

You draw really well.
With the drawl....You drauw really well.
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 0:10  Reply with quote

scrimshaw wrote:
That's interesting. But oddly enough, in the southern style, there is no stop whatsoever in that word. It just all runs together. Very Happy

I still think there is a schwa, scrimshaw. Is it feasible to pronounce it the same way, but with a pause between the “o” and “r”?

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Dipthongs are rare in american english
auto...is not pronounced with a dipthong....it is pronounced aw-to

Interesting though, in the deep southern states, Mississipi, Alabamba, Georgia, they create dipthongs where no dipthong should be....that is called the southern drawl (lenghtening of the word)

You draw really well.
With the drawl....You drauw really well.

Dipthong is not combination of two letters each representing a vowel, it’s one vowel which change quality during its pronunciation. English is full of dipthons, e.g. cow, loud, night.
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 4:15  Reply with quote

scrimshaw wrote:

Interesting though, in the deep southern states, Mississipi, Alabamba, Georgia, they create dipthongs where no dipthong should be....that is called the southern drawl (lenghtening of the word)


true - I was visiting my sister in Pensacola, Florida(really it is L.A. - Lower Alabama) and it was raining. Overheard a neighbor calling out "Be careful you don't get way-yet (wet). Smile
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 6:34  Reply with quote

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Diphthongs are rare in american english
auto...is not pronounced with a diphthong....it is pronounced aw-to

The Greek-Latin diphthong au in auto is pronounced as a single wovel in British English as well. It is pronounced like a true diphthong in Romance (except French), German, Czech, etc.


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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 16:07  Reply with quote

I have to laugh at myself, misspelling english words......diphthong...not..dipthong

About the orange pronunciation.
I'd be curious to hear Glenn's comments about that. He's a southerner too.
English dictionary definitely breaks it into two syllables.
or..ange

I have definitely heard or..inge
and I think I sometimes say it
but....mostly to me the word is
orn..dž(ge)....
Since now I am thinking about it so much, and paying attention to it.

I notice when I slow the word down
I have to put the tip of the tongue to the top of the mouth well behind the teeth to get the final N sound, but when I add the G sound at the end and put it all together,
the tongue does not have to touch the top of the mouth to get the N sound. Maybe it does, for a millisecond, but it all just runs together.

It's like beginning the word with ORE, as in iron ore, no break at all between the O and the R

That's my little corner of the world.....not international pronunciation Very Happy

And yea, I guess I didn't fully understand the meaning of diphthong.

Never to old to learn.
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 21:07  Reply with quote

I've been sitting here for the past ten minutes, as a British English speaker, who generally uses received pronunciation, trying to produce a one-syllabled "orange" and I simply can't do it.

To me the word splits up into o-ringe and can never in a month of Sundays rhyme with finch.....
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 22:03  Reply with quote

If I do break it into syllables it is ORN...ge

To me the ge sound is like an afterthought, much less empahsized.

If the second syllable was emphasized then we could make it ryhme.

There once was an o-ringe
t'was top stony stone henge

I long to behold,
a beautiful o-ringe
so bright, so bold
'pon my heart, t'will impinge

Ok,ok, so I'm not a poet
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 22:52  Reply with quote

According to dictionary.cambridge.org and dictionary.reference.com

orange rhymes with impinge.

aw-rinj .......... im-pinj

The only difference is the stress.
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 23:37  Reply with quote

well, like scrimshaw said, orange is a one syllable word to me with a bit of an afterthought for the ge (ORNj - the j sort of like the English j in just) and the plural is ORNjez Confused
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