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Rhymes in English
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scrimshaw
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PostPosted: 18-Apr-09 23:40  Reply with quote

Thanks Glenn Very Happy
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Jsem zvědav, jak by to vypadalo, kdybych byl přivolávačem deště. Jak by to vypadalo, kdybych uměl přivolat déšt'?
Mám pocit ale, že se to bohužel nikdy nedozvím.
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PostPosted: 19-Apr-09 8:02  Reply with quote

Well unsatisfactory though the rhymes are I would have to go with Stonehenge and impinge Very Happy I'd have to mangle o-ringe though and stress the last part rather than the "o" which I would normally do. Or of course stress the "imp".......

It had never occurred to me before that Brits and Americans must read some poetry quite differently.
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PostPosted: 19-Apr-09 8:45  Reply with quote

I think the metre (measure) is more important than a rhyme.
(that is the number of syllables, their quantity and stress).

Are you able to read an old hexametre correctly?
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PostPosted: 19-Apr-09 14:14  Reply with quote

bibax wrote:
I think the metre (measure) is more important than a rhyme.
(that is the number of syllables, their quantity and stress).

Are you able to read an old hexametre correctly?

Hexameter in English? That must be ridiculous. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19-Apr-09 16:48  Reply with quote

Never heard of a hexameter,

but I do agree absolutely, it is the meter, and rhythym that make the poem
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PostPosted: 19-Apr-09 17:59  Reply with quote

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Hexameter in English? That must be ridiculous.

Hexameter in Czech is ridiculous as well.

Stůj, noho posvátná! Smile
místa jsou, kamkoli kráčíš,
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(Jan Kollár: Slávy dcera)
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PostPosted: 04-Jul-09 21:10  Reply with quote

bibax wrote:

Our Czech dictionaries say:

orange orindž (ends in -indž)
finch finč (ends in -inč)

The only difference is the voiceness (dž vs. č). But in the expression orange finch I am not able to distinguish dž from č.

Now I have tried slovnik.seznam.cz :

orange is pronouced or@ndž, but oranges is (are) pronounced orindžiz.

Can you confirm this?

N.B.
o: = long o (like in wall); @ = schwa/mixed vowel; = j (like in job); č = ch (like in chip); the stress is always on the first syllable;

There are many ways to pronounce orange, depending of where you live and what your regional accent is.

Take a look at Merriam Webster's dictionary (for the American variants):

Main Entry: 1or-ange
Pronunciation: \ˈär-inj, ˈär(-ə)nj; chiefly Northern & Midland ˈȯr-inj, ˈȯr(-ə)nj\
They even have a couple of audio files on their website Smile


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PostPosted: 04-Jul-09 21:34  Reply with quote

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Stůj, noho posvátná! Smile
místa jsou, kamkoli kráčíš,

Well, the original goes "Stůj, noho! Posvátná místa jsou kamkoli kráčíš..."
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PostPosted: 12-Jul-09 16:13  Reply with quote

Stop, feet!
The sacred places are wherever you tread.

Hope i got the quote right.
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PostPosted: 17-Jul-09 2:43  Reply with quote

As a fellow southerner, I have to second (third?) what scrimshaw and Glenn say about "orange" being pronounced in the South as a single syllable, no schwa.

Old radio skit:

<Southern man pulls up in his care to a fast food drive-through window>: I'll have a double cheeseburger, french fries, and a large arnj (orange) drank (drink).

<restaurant worker with muffled voice through the drive-through speaker> Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa.

<man in car>: No, no, no! I said, double cheeseburger, french fries, and a large arnj drank.

<worker> Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa.

<man in car>: No, no, no! Say it with me: double cheeseburger ...

<worker> Wa-wa-waaa-wa-wa

<man in car>: ... french fries ...

<worker> Wa-wa

<man in car>: ... and a large arnj drank.

<worker> Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa

<man in car>: No, no, no!

etc.
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