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Postby Dana » 03-Nov-06 20:38

Thanks for pointing out this issue, dzurisovak. I'm sorry it has gotten bad enough to make you feel that you had to say something. I don't like it either when discussions are steered away from their original topic and become unrelated to these boards, which, as you correctly mentioned, are devoted to the Czech Republic. Jeff and I try to follow the threads as much as our time permits and we occasionally step in when things get out of hand. I admit that we have not been as strict as we could and probably should be. We would like to thank our other moderators who have been very helpful in keeping an eye on the boards.

This is a good time to stress that the boards are here for everyone and all members are welcome to step in whenever they feel that a discussion has gotten off topic or has become inappropriate.

Ceit wrote:And after other posters politely point this out, they persist, and not only the first offender, but others join in as well.

This is true and it's a shame. Sometimes it seems that the only solution would be to lock the thread, which we really don't like doing because it keeps those who would like to post something on the original topic from participating. Anyway, if you feel that a discussion has gotten to the point where a moderator should interfere, please feel free to send a PM to 'My Czech Republic' or any of the moderators and alert us to the thread in question.

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Postby mdusin » 05-Nov-06 22:33

dzurisovak, allow me to use the same rationale that you have used to weed out "political" debates from unrelated threads. You want everyone to stay on topic and you do it very eloquently.

Now, how does explaining your "earliest memory when you found out there really is a God" stay on topic called "To move or not to move...", which revolves around whether to go and live for some time in the CZ?

I think there is zero relevance with the topic of the thread. I think it is great that you felt so free to tell everybody about your feelings and that you felt "heard" which you so much appreciate in this thread.

So, you appreciate the freedom for you to go off-topic but you do not appreciate if someone else goes off-topic. Could it be that you do not like people criticizing the US and your president? If this is the case, you are using double standard for yourself and for others and your so very smart and eloquent plea that started this thread turns into a farce.

This is not a personal attack, I thought a little bit of perspective would not hurt.

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Postby dzurisova » 06-Nov-06 15:13

mdusin, thanks for your perspective. You state that

So, you appreciate the freedom for you to go off-topic but you do not appreciate if someone else goes off-topic.


This post wasn't about members simply just going off topic. That can happen at times. This post was about members using this board as a soap-box to trash the US and Bush. Certain members take almost every topic and turn it into a political debate. I was simply asking that if they want to get into political debates, to visit boards that are created for such. This board was not, and as you can see above, even the creators or those in charge of the board agree that it was not created with that purpose in mind.

how does explaining your "earliest memory when you found out there really is a God" stay on topic called "To move or not to move..."


When I posted that, I was replying to a post already in that forum. Also, if you read that posts again, you will see that I said, "Perhaps we are getting off topic and these posts should be moved to a new topic so others can join and share their experiences." There are moderators that move things when people get off subject. I knew it was off subject, which is why I suggested it to be moved. I don't have the knowlege nor the freedom to move things myself, so I suggested it.
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Postby mdusin » 06-Nov-06 15:49

dzurisovak, members can take any topic and turn into any other topic, this is how chats work. They may turn it into a political debate or turn it into a "first experience of God" debate, or whatever. I appreciate that and so do you. I will not look for more examples when you went off topic, do you want me to do so to prove my point?

I do not see any "professional" Bush trashers on this site. I do not see any deliberate attempts of anyone to turn this site into a policatical battleground. Some members are unhappy with certain policies and politicians, many times while comparing the Czech and American cultures and perspective, and they voice their concern. Some members use irrational, emotional, simplistic but sincere reasoning. Very rarely they use offensive language. We all should be happy about this fact because there is so much arrongance and backstabbing around us, in politics in particular, if you allow me to use this example.

Going off topic to raise a political inference is just like any other going off topic. Let the admins do their work, or ignore these guys like most of us do. Other members may chose to ignore your replies (as these are by definition off-topic, too) , or your going off topic. But do not apply double standard for you and for others just because you do not like what they say.

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Postby dzurisova » 06-Nov-06 19:19

It's not just about me not liking what they are saying.

Let me give this example:

Let's say you join a class to learn how to knit. So you go to knitting class and everytime you are there, a few class members insist on talking trash about your neighborhood. They say all kinds of things about your neighborhood. You put up with it for a while, figuring that they are all here to learn to knit and perhaps eventually they will tire of talking trash about your neighborhood and get back to the subject at hand.

Time goes on and everytime you go to class there are more and more conversations talking trash about your neighborhood. Eventually, you feel led to look at them and say, "look, I came here to learn to knit and I'd like to politely ask all of you to please stick to the task at hand and stop trashing my neighborhood everytime we come here."

Now, they could say, "oh, we didn't realize we did that so much and we didn't realize it bothered you so we will stop" or they could say, "it's a free country, tolerate our discussions or find a different knitting class."

You then have a choice to do one of those things. But it didn't hurt to ask did it?

That's all I'm doing here: asking. Now if you really have the time, energy, and desire to look into all my post and see if I ever went off topic, but all means do so. However, I don't think it has anything to do with what I'm asking people here.

I'm saying that we all joined this forum to learn more about the culture and language of the Czech Republic. Perhaps we could do so without so much trash talk about my neighborhood. :wink:
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Postby mdusin » 06-Nov-06 22:06

your examples are very nice and colorful but you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

I will repeat again what is my point. Members do not agree with certain policies and politicians. 99% of members sincerely voice their opinion. Members do not deliberately try to transform this site into a political battlefield. On the other hand, you want to relegate political debates to other designated sites. But you want to keep the freedom and opportunity for yourself to react off-topic to thoughts of others. Do not use double standard for yourself and for others.

Off-topic is an off-topic is an off-topic. Of course you may politely ask that members do not go to a political off-topic while any other off-topic is okay. I will keep politely saying that a political off-topic is an off-topic like any other off-topic.

I am all for compliance with rules, if they exists and if they make sense, but I am strongly against convenient double standards.

You also use the word "trash" in your fables to describe opinions of others. Some people may call trash talking about your “earliest memory when you found out there really is a God". What would you think about that? I would not like it and I think that you would not like it either. Why don't we stop using the word "trash" in association with opinions of others?


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Postby Dana » 07-Nov-06 1:29

mdusin wrote:members can take any topic and turn into any other topic, this is how chats work.

Sure, they can and they do, which doesn't mean it is appreciated, especially not when a discussion goes off topic and stays off topic. Our posting guidelines include a clear request to keep responses focused on the topic. We do allow for some leeway of course but we'd ultimately like to keep the boards more or less organized by topic so that users can easily find discussions that are of interest to them. For example, if I see a thread titled "Czech Wedding Customs" and I'm interested in that topic, I want to be able to click on it and read about Czech wedding customs. I don't want to get to page two and have to start digging through posts discussing the world's religions, racism or mail order brides, trying to see if any of the posts still contain anything on the subject of Czech wedding customs.

mdusin wrote:Of course you may politely ask that members do not go to a political off-topic while any other off-topic is okay.

I don't think dzurisovak is suggesting that any other off-topic is okay. She is pointing out that conversations turn into political debates and U.S. bashing too often. I agree with her and my suggestion is for people to take these debates to the Off Topic forum.
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Postby BMoody » 07-Nov-06 9:38

I'm guilty of going off topic myself. :-] Sorry mates! I'll try not to do it again.
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Postby dzurisova » 08-Nov-06 0:20

mdusin wrote:your examples are very nice and colorful but you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.


I apoligize for repeating myself over and over. I was simply trying to point out that this post is not about going off topic. However, if you believe it is that is fine because I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

What Dana said sums it all up perfectly. I'm sorry I'm too long winded to say things so simply. :wink:

Dana wrote: I don't think dzurisovak is suggesting that any other off-topic is okay. She is pointing out that conversations turn into political debates and U.S. bashing too often. I agree with her and my suggestion is for people to take these debates to the Off Topic forum.
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