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Kasparek DNA

Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 17:30

A big West Texas 'Howdy' to y'all!

Just thought I would share. I have had my Y-DNA tested for the surname Kasparek. If anyone is interested, please send me a note - I am more than happy to share my info. The predicted Haplogroup is J-2, which is in concert with the family legends that the surname Kasparek is an amalgam of "Kaspar" (Persian for 'Treasured Secret' or 'Treasure Master' or 'Treasurer - depending on the source)) and the Austio-Hungarian suffix 'ek' meaning 'son-of' or 'family-of' or 'descendats of'.

I am having a more extensive test done to determine more about the haplogroup, and once available will also be happy to share.

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Postby eso » 20-Nov-06 17:42

rkasparek wrote:which is in concert with the family legends that the surname Kasparek is an amalgam of "Kaspar" (Persian for 'Treasured Secret' or 'Treasure Master' or 'Treasurer - depending on the source))


Well, I'm not sure, if surname can be connected to Haplogroup. Anyway, in Czech Kaspar mean "clown" an Kasparek "little clown" :)

Also Kaspar, Melichar, Baltazar are in east mythology names of three wise men, who who visited Jesus.

You are right, that origin of the name is from persian "kaš" - treasure and "fero" - I carry, together: I, who carry treasure.

And also, Kaspar is rather common Czech surname.
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Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 18:07

While I agree that the 'surname' cannot be connected to a haplogroup - the Y-DNA remains unchanged in the male lineage so, the people who carried the Kasparek surname - from my own lineage at least - are connected with the J2 haplogroup which shows a migration from roughly, Persia to the Caucasus area.

The name Kasparek meaning little clown is certainly relevant to me since I have been described as a clown! :D As I understand it Kasparek (as a clown puppet) dates back to Asia a thousand years ago.

I am also of Irish origin (1/4 via my mother) and some have said I have a leprechaun smile. Perhaps Kasparek is a Czech version of a leprechaun! :lol:

Yes, I have heard of the legends of Kaspar and company - the 3 wise men. Wouldn't it be interesting if his descendants carried the surname Kaspar/Kasparek! I understand that their remains are in a cathedral in Cologne... DNA testing might prove interesting if they were of the same halpogroup!!

Anyway, your answer is appreciated. Makes one think about origins!

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Postby eso » 20-Nov-06 18:21

rkasparek wrote:Perhaps Kasparek is a Czech version of a leprechaun! :lol:


Well it' really interesting theory :) I believe that leprechains sometimes mocked travellers, too :)

But while leprechaun has green clothes, Kašpárek has red.
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Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 18:25

eso wrote:You are right, that origin of the name is from persian "kaš" - treasure and "fero" - I carry, together: I, who carry treasure.


Eso:

So... as I understand it you're saying that the Persian "kaš" means 'treasure' and the Persian "fero" means 'I carry'? So possibly the original name was "kašfero"? or is fero from the latin?

Hmmm... where did you find this information, I'm curious to learn more!

Some of the translations (actually most of the ones I have found) say "Treasured Secret" I wonder where that comes from!?

Thanks for your replies!

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Postby eso » 20-Nov-06 18:36

rkasparek wrote:So... as I understand it you're saying that the Persian "kaš" means 'treasure' and the Persian "fero" means 'I carry'? So possibly the original name was "kašfero"?

Some of the translations (actually most of the ones I have found) say "Treasured Secret" I wonder where that comes from!?


I found it on this (Czech) site:
http://www.quido.cz/214/jména14.htm

However, I found similar information for example here:
http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Caspar

where the name is translated as treasurer, which I believe is very close to "someone, who carries a treasure".
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Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 18:41

eso wrote:I found it on this (Czech) site:
http://www.quido.cz/214/jména14.htm


I assume that:

Kašpar : perský : První složka kaš znamená "poklad", druhá část pochází ze slovesa fero "nesu", význam jména je tedy "ten, kdo nese poklady".

...was what you translated earlier? (this is good info!)


I found the other translation, among other sites at:
http://123-baby-names.com/origin_meaning_Kaspar.html
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Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 18:47

Eso:

Perhaps the "Treasure" that Kasparek (the clown) brings is that of laughter! :wink:

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Postby eso » 20-Nov-06 18:47

rkasparek wrote:I assume that:

Kašpar : perský : První složka kaš znamená "poklad", druhá část pochází ze slovesa fero "nesu", význam jména je tedy "ten, kdo nese poklady".

...was what you translated earlier? (this is good info!)


Exactly. Full translation:

Kaspar : persian : First part kaš means "treasure", second part originated from verb fero - "to carry", meaning of name is then: "someone, who carries treasures"
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Postby rkasparek » 20-Nov-06 18:49

You're awesome Eso! Thank you!!

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