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Alexx
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PostPosted: 26-Apr-08 15:04  Reply with quote

GlennInFlorida wrote:
not really - you would only see the first construction used. it would be possible to to use the second one as "I want to see your face no more" but it would sound rather like Yoda from Star Wars was speaking (quite odd and foreign).


That is exactly what I wanted to know. Yoda Smile.

GlennInFlorida wrote:
also - "wanna" is slang for "want to" and, although you will hear it spoken a lot, except for kids sending text messages, you won't see it written.


OK, sure, I just didn't want to change quote from the song. But I guess it is still more acceptable than double negative.

Just look what mr. google says: Wink

Two most popular "#nna's":

Gonna: 179,000,000
Wanna: 160,000,000

Even those "less" popular words have good score:

Tryna: 2,320,000
Dunno: 32,400,000

Just to compare:

"Going to": 475,000,000
"Want to" (+ "Wants to"): 1,046,000,000
Prague: 53,400,000
Tampa: 76,100,000
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PostPosted: 26-Apr-08 15:16  Reply with quote

OK, I cannot stop, this is kind of funny:

This world is pretty uncertain:

Yes: 703,000,000 (only)
But: 2,780,000,000
No: 5,580,000,000

Wink

What do you think is the most frequent word, most-google-score-able word? I found "and" is 9,890,000,000. "A" is 14,530,000,000 but only 10% of those pages are in english.
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PostPosted: 26-Apr-08 17:15  Reply with quote

DjAvatar

Don't know if you are aware of this..

In school, we are(or were) taught that two negatives equal a positive.
So....
We don't need no education is actually saying 'we need an education'.

I don't want to see your face no more
literally
I want to see your face again

But nobody uses(hardly, except to make a point) these kind of sentences to make a positive sentence, so....when they are used, they are recognized for their bad grammar, because the speaker is trying to make a negative statement.
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PostPosted: 28-Apr-08 7:39  Reply with quote

[quote="DjAvatar"]Interesting Smile. What about somewhere else than in the US?

As a point of view from England, I agree completely with what has already been said by Glenn and Scrimshaw, and others.

The use of double negatives is lazy and incorrect.

Over here it is generally used either in a "slang" way by people who want to deliberately sound less educated than they really are (this seems to be becoming almost fashionable amongst younger people for some reason!) or commonly used by less educated people as almost an everyday way of speaking.

For a native speaker I think that it is very easy to understand the real meaning of what has been said when a double negative is used just because of the inflexions and stresses used in the words when they are spoken (or the context in which such a phrase is used if written down".

Thus, I can fully understand that it is confusing for a non-native speaker of English.

However, that said, there are still vast numbers of things that I have not managed to grasp in the Czech language and I am not sure that I ever will!!
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PostPosted: 28-Apr-08 18:47  Reply with quote

DjAvatar wrote:
... I understood very little from this movie, you people speak horible in TX Wink.

Don't feel bad. When I first came to the Czech Republic, hardly any Czechs who spoke English could understand me, and I actually have only a slight Texan accent. Wink I had to make a conscious effort to speak more clearly and distinctly for them to understand.
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PostPosted: 29-Apr-08 6:09  Reply with quote

DjAvatar wrote:
... and today hearing "I don't wanna see your face no more" in "American Woman" performed by Lenny Krawitz was a trigger to start some research about it.


Whoops, I am scared Confused Wink, he's going after me. He is in Prague right now.
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PostPosted: 21-Aug-08 18:06  Reply with quote

Alexx wrote:
Interesting Smile. What about somewhere else than in the US?


Hey Alexx

Being from the South you hear double negitives daily. It does make one seem uneducated but it's how you were brought up. You are a product of your surroundings and thats a simple fact. To me it's used when talking to friends.... when being proper is not an issue. I perfer not to use this style but I tend to slip.

BTW I will be in the Czech on the 6th of Sept. With my heavy southern accent I believe no one will be able to understand me. The accent alone make (Southerns) seem uneducated. Hearing me speak would be the issue not the double negitives.
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PostPosted: 27-Aug-08 11:09  Reply with quote

Alexx wrote:
OK, I cannot stop, this is kind of funny:

This world is pretty uncertain:

Yes: 703,000,000 (only)
But: 2,780,000,000
No: 5,580,000,000

Wink

What do you think is the most frequent word, most-google-score-able word? I found "and" is 9,890,000,000. "A" is 14,530,000,000 but only 10% of those pages are in english.


The definite article (the) and the zero article ("To him the most important thing was family") are the most frequently used words (or absence of a word!) in English, and that the indefinite article is in something like 5th place.
That's very dull, I want to hear it is something like "elephant"
We should all say elephant much more!



Here the double negative.. Again it's become kind of a social class thing..
The only ones really used in Cork (it differs from county to county) I can think of:

I don't got nothing!
I didn't do nothing!
I don't see nothing wrong with it anyway!
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PostPosted: 26-May-09 13:42  Reply with quote

Hey Alexx,

this might make you feel better:

7,340,000,000 for you
3,550,000,000 for me



(29,350,000,000 for 1)
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PostPosted: 28-May-09 15:30  Reply with quote

I remember my English teacher correcting people on this

I done my homework.

You did your homework.

I didn't do nothing wrong.

You didn't do anything wrong.



It's funny that it's difficult for native speakers too.



The articles are the most common words in the English language. Including the Zero article which is where you have no article tee hee.

http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/FILES/faculties/ppsw/2005/h.n.thu/thesis.pdf



It's there somewhere... A really interesting thesis I read most of it before .. but now I can't find the specific bit about this
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