rules for "in" or "on"-new endings

Discussion in 'Grammar & Pronunciation' started by Weezi, Jan 29, 2006.

  1. Weezi

    Weezi Member

    Ahoj! Ok, i am looking for an online resource for the rules when changing the endings of words when using "in" or "on".
    My text book has covered a lot....but i find some of the exceptions confusing. Also, when i am trying to write on my own and i can't find an example in the text...my online dictionary is not helpful.
    I am now trying to write about cooking something in a fying pan
    is it...... v panevu like v hotelu
    or
    v panvu like hrnku

    Thanx to those who take the time to respond...i am VERY appreciative of all the help on these boards!! The support here is fantastic...i am very grateful for everyone's knowledge. It's nice to have a place to ask and not feel silly about asking.
    Dobry den! Weezi
     
  2. wer

    wer Well-Known Member

    'Pánev' is feminine.

    So correct is 'v pánvi' or better 'na pánvi'. We use 'na' (= on) because pan is flat.

    You can check grammatical genders and forms at www.pravidla.cz - unfortunately only in Czech.

    Word 'pánev' is formal and polysemantic. I think in informal language word 'pánvička' ('na pánvičce') is more usual in this context.

    BTW, usually we say 'dobrý den' by meeting somebody or to welcome somebody.
     
  3. Ladis

    Ladis Well-Known Member

    Cool, that Pravidla.cz really gives info about the word gender :). Weezi, just type there a word and click Hledej. You will get an output like this:

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    Where:
    m. (mužský) = masculine
    ž. (ženský) = feminine
    stř. (střední) = neuter

    And then it's not difficult to find the model noun for that word and its declension endings.
     
  4. mike_jtw

    mike_jtw Well-Known Member

    Ladis

    Thats a useful bit of information now I know what m, ž and stř mean, however you last comment may be easy for you, but not for some of us so any tips would be appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Mike :oops:
     
  5. Sova

    Sova Well-Known Member

    Weezi, one thing to be careful about is that if you say "Put it in (into) the frying pan," as opposed to "I'm cooking it in a frying pan," you use different declensions. The first involves motion onto something and therefore uses the accusative (i.e. na pánev/pánvičku). The second involves simply a location, so use the locative (prepositional) (i.e. na pánvi/pánvičce as wer explained). The same rule applies for in/into (i.e. the preposition v).

    Mike, Ladis is referring to the model declensions, such as those you can find on Local Lingo's declension page. The word pánev, for example, follows closely the pattern for píseň, with the exceptions listed on http://www.pravidla.cz, and the word pánvička, follows the pattern for žena. It may take you a while to get used to using this tool, but once you're familiar with the basic declension patterns, it's not too hard.

    BTW, http://www.pravopis.cz/ links to the same site as http://www.pravidla.cz.
     
  6. mike_jtw

    mike_jtw Well-Known Member

    Sova

    It would be nice to be able to find a dictionary on the web which actually showed whether a word was masculine, feminine or neuter then declension would be easier to derive.

    All the dictionaries that I have found seem to shy away from doing this, which is a great shame

    mockrat dekuji

    Mike
     
  7. Sova

    Sova Well-Known Member

    You can always use http://www.pravidla.cz to find the gender of a noun, but this still requires an extra lookup. :? Ideally, the online dictionaries should display the gender, but I haven't found one either.
     

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