Hi, I know that in the Czech Republic and France, university is generally free except for some specialised schools. But would any of you know the cost of tuition fees for university in any other European countries?? Because for some reason I just get the feeling that all over Europe, university is free. Well all I have to say is, that's not fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bust my butt like a japanese beaver working stupid jobs, studying, and going to school at the same time! I would really like to know what people in Europe are paying for school, I just regret being born in North America instead of overseas, b/c right now I don't have any money left to pay for university next year. I am so exhausted now. U see, I think a lot of young students in Europe then don't have jobs, there's not much need of them if u don't have to pay for school. All of my friends and myself have been working since the age of 16 to pay for our living expenses and above all, school. And for those who are 18+ and are not working, Get a job and contribute to society you bums! :evil: You know who you are.
Oh, and I am not insinuating that kids in Europe are lazy or anything like that, but I just think that if you don't have to pay for school, you have an easier time in life. I am envious of that, my life right now is crazy. I have to work all the time, and study so many hours a day to keep my grades up. It's not easy balancing those things but I know others have it worse than me and life is just going to get harder.
i found this: Annual Study Fees : 3 483 US$ This includes the fees for the two semesters and can be split into two payments. We recomend paying the full amount. This is paid to the university bank account in Oradea either by wire transfer or direct deposit. This is valid for the Oradea university in Romania. I think it won't be much different in other countries. They also say the annual living expenses are about 4000$ a year Btw there are quite a few private schools or universities, where you have to pay. But it's a public secret that those schools are for idiots who can't get on a normal state-funded school :wink: And about this "contribute to society you bums"... If you knew how high the taxes are, you won't talk like that. This system gives opportunities to everybody, no matter what his social status is, if he's a millionaire kid or if his parents work in a supermarket.
In most European countries the studies are paid, I think. In Czech it is free, because it had been so in the communism, and no government yet had the courage to make universities paid. It has more cons than pros though, I think. The schools have to rely on money from state (they are prohibited from commercial activities), and the money is not enough. In fact, we have one of the lowest amount of GDP spent on education in Europe. The teachers have substandard wages, concerning their quailification. This causes that those who are really skilled leave the academic sphere and go to work for private companies - they get several times higher salaries there. In my school, there are generally two types of teachers: those who are not good enough for real work, or those who love being a teacher and do not care for money. The quality of teachers is just one thing. Many schools can not afford the really good equipment. Universities should be the top in research, but they are usually not. It is sad that most students do not realize this. Anytime someone mentions the fees, they start organizing protests. I personally think, that fees, when accompanied by good scholarship system, are much better than this free-for-all system, which is oftenly being misused.
I totally agree with Halef. It would be ok for the state to pay for the education IF the state had enough money to do it which is not the case. And I believe that every sane person has to see that. It's the same as with health care system. Who can think that paying for your own food in a hospital is WRONG?
I see your sides of the argument. Well I read something about the pros and cons about state-funded schooling, but what I like is that in your country, university is free for every one provided you have the aptitude to go there. There shouldn't be social barriers (your parent's financial status). In Canada, often what determines whether some one goes to university is the family income rather than aptitude/work ethic/motivation. Believe me, there are many students at my university who really don't belong there. Really, my school is just some greedy corporation, I've been so cynical since I started. It's a long story but my school has ripped me and other students off many times, they only want our money. You know, it's so easy to get into university in Canada. There are no exams or anything. I rather university be free, but really hard to get accepted into. And the "contribute to society you bum!", well a classmate said that to my friend cause she doesn't work, her parents pay everything for her. I thought it was funny at the time. Yeah, I am really worried b/c I will not make enough money to pay for school next year but hey, Karel Pilar is playing hockey tonight so I'm happy for now. Go Leafs/Flames Go!!!!! Karel's awesome, he's the reason why I love the CR so much. :wink:
I think that intelleigent scholarship solves most of the problems. If you are good, you do not have to pay. If you are not, either pay or work harder. It is true that it is quite hard to be accpeted to university here, but once you are accepted, it is hard to get you out. So there are many people who prolonge their studies (why not have an extra year, when it is free), and even some who just use the college as a cheap hotel, never visiting the school itself. All these people occupy places for those who want to study, are skilled enough, but just did not have luck with one particular test. When I did my entrance test, only those with better result than 90% were accepted. This is not even remotely fair nor appropriate. I would prefer "accept anybody" system, with tuition fees. If we let, say, top 15 percent of students study for free (practically, everyone would pay for the first year and then school would give money back to those 15%), the only group that is unable to study are those both poor and lazy or not clever enough. Those lazy or stupid, but rich, will not pass their exams, and voila - we have a mass of average students, who give the school the money needed, and some really good ones, who can study whether they have money or not. Do I miss something here? P.S. If you find words such as "lazy" or "poor" offensive - they are not meant that. I am just too lazy to extend my poor vocabulary
Well the scholarship solution only helps a few people. See, I graduated from highschool with an 88% average and the scholarship I received only pays for 2% of my total tuition fees. My friend had an 95% average and he got the top scholarship that pays for 100% of his fees. Unlike in the U.S, Canada doesn't have many scholarships. The person with the highest average wins the biggest scholarship, and everyone else who got slightly lower miss out. Your other idea sounds good to me, but how similar are Czech schools to Canadian ones? My school is run by cheaters-- just thinking about what they do to me and others makes me so angry. I'm not so much concerned about who gets into university some where...my school just cheats people. Bottom line.
Hockeygirl wrote: < graduated from highschool with an 88% average and the scholarship I received only pays for 2% of my total tuition fees. My friend had an 95% average and he got the top scholarship that pays for 100% of his fees. > Well that only shows that the top scholars get the opportunity and those less inclined to study must work all the harder. So there is justice in the Canadian system after all. And it is also true that the University of Calgary (I recognized the Flames logo) participates in top notch research. The money has to come from somewhere - namely from those who use the facilities - don't you agree? Eva
Um okay, 88% is pretty good and a scholarship that pays only 2% of my tuition does not do justice for me. And my friend's mom works at the university so he gets to go free anyways, so he doesn't even need all that money. Should it not also go by family income too? That seems fair. He just used it all to go to Europe during summer and he doesn't work. I still don't have money to go to school next year. As if books and tuition aren't expensive enough, I have a bunch of other big fees to pay, anciliary fees. You know what my school did to me? They changed my program requirements at the very last minute so I would have take more extra courses and thus, pay more money (and then the courses I already took that I was suppose to originally wouldn't count for anything). THey did that to my brother too. Why the hell do they do this to us? When we're trying to live on our own, be independent, and pay our own expenses, and get an education to work and be contributing members of society and they are making it so hard on us on the most inconvient time of our lives. I work like crazy and what does it show for? Nothing. Believe me, other students at my school bitch about this too--almost all of them. It's a bitter taste of what the real world will be like, there to screw u over. And btw, I'm not from Calgary but they are the underdogs for the Stanely CUp finals.
Yes, of course, seen from this perspective, you have my sympathy. I wish I could make you feel better but there is nothing that I - or ayone else on this board - can change in this case. Perhaps you could try to reframe the problem: instead of Canada, you could have been born in Afghanistan, Sudan or any other unfortunate country. Ah, and now that I think of it, are there no student loans? Eva
Yeah, I know all about that. But let me tell you that my parents grew up in a really poor country under a horrible communist regime. They never had the chance to go to school (b/c the communists forbade that). So they came to Canada as refugees and had to work under difficult conditions in factories and told me to get a good education so I wouldn't have to live like they did. That's my perspective. Education is my first priority in life, I can't really think of anything else. So when I don't have enough money to pay for tuition, residence, food, etc next year that's what I'm thinking every day now. But this is all off topic, I just wanted to know what ppl in other countries pay for their schooling.
I live in Germany, and I pay about 100 dollars in administration fees per semester. However, in comparison to schools in the US (I don't know about Canada), our school are so much worse equipped. At my school, we have almost no computer labs, our classes are hopelessly overcrowded, and there seems to be no money for anything. If you want to make a powerpoint presentation, for most rooms you have to bring your own computer and find a projector to borrow from somewhere in school, which is hard. Most rooms just have overhead projectors. Our system is much more free, as in it doesn't tell you exactly what classes to take, which sounds nice, but you're basically thrown in there and have to figure it out yourself, cause there's no money for academic advisors...most of the people that do some advising are regular professors that have to do that in addition to their teaching jobs. And for my graduation exams, I'll have to find topics and study for them on my own, since there are usually no classes teaching you the stuff. I still think I get a good education, but I have to do a ton of independent studying for it. I don't have an easy life just because I don't pay much for school.
hi in the uk, when you apply for a course you can apply for a student loan, when doing this you have to include what your parents earn per year etc. If your parents earn under a certain amount, i think its £40,000 per year joint then you can recieve the full student loan (£3300) and apply for grant to cover the cost of the course fees. My rent to live at university for the year was £2500 this didnt include food so £3300 per year didnt really cover my expensies so i had to work to earn the extra money. The student loan also has to be paid back. To get on to a university course in england you have to have 'a levels' or something of the same stature. Only mature students can get onto a university course without exam results. This stops just anybody going to university. Rushy rushy
