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Postby dzurisova » 01-Nov-06 19:04

I really enjoy this forum especially the help recieved regarding the language. Most posters are very helpful, friendly, and interesting.

It's a shame, though, that there is so much critism against the USA. I find myself feeling as though I have to defend my country often because many poster use this forum to complain about it.

I wish the website's forums were more about the Czech Republic than a forum to post complaints about my homeland.

I understand not everyone is going to be pleased with the United States nor would everyone want to live here. However, I thought this website was created to discuss the Czech Republic's culture and language.

I'm sure there are many forums out there created soley to b_tch about Bush and the USA. I wish those wanting to do so would do it on those websites instead of bringing it here.
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Postby MK » 02-Nov-06 2:12

I understand how you feel. I also love my country and I always feel obliged to defend it against ugly remarks. If it was some of my posts which caused you to write this post. Please know it was not my intention.

Unfortunately, it sometimes happened that nasty comment about CZ caused angry reaction comparing CZ and US points of view. Which then caused people got carried away and started off-topic war of words.

I think when there is difference in opinions then it should be voiced. It is of no help to hide it but it is of no use to think we are able to solve it here. I do not agree with some posts sent to this forum, sometimes I answered them but I am glad they were sent here. There is nothing wrong either with passionate and vigorous debate or kind critiques on this forum when it is CZ related and do not harm other people feelings. Even if it do not change our thinking it is always rewarding to hear opinion of other people.

Second though . Maybe we should keep international politics, unrelated personal opinions and these flame wars out of this forum. I will try to do so.
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Postby dzurisova » 02-Nov-06 15:34

I agree there is nothing wrong with political debates. They can be mind-opening. However, I did not join this forum to debate international politics. If that's what I wanted to do, I would have joined a different forum. I joined this forum to learn about the Czech culture and language. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me that this forum was created so others can learn about the Czech culture and language.

However, I am constantly exposed to criticsm of my country. Then I feel the need to defend my country. It gets tiring and all I really want to do on this forum is learn about Czech culture and language. Yet, when someone is trashing my country, I'm not going to sit by quietly without saying anything.

Do you ever just feel like saying "hey shut-up enough already, I don't want to hear it."? That's how I feel about the international debates on this forum. If I were at a forum that was created for international debates then I would simply stop getting on the forum. However, I thought this forum was created for something else so that is why I joined.

I suppose I could just stop getting on this forum, yet I would miss out on the reason I came here in the first place: to learn about the Czech culture and language.

If it was some of my posts which caused you to write this post. Please know it was not my intention.


I don't know if it were some of your posts or not, but thank you for your clarification.
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Postby eso » 02-Nov-06 15:47

However, I am constantly exposed to criticsm of my country. Then I feel the need to defend my country. It gets tiring and all I really want to do on this forum is learn about Czech culture and language. Yet, when someone is trashing my country, I'm not going to sit by quietly without saying anything.


I'm not sure, dzurisovak what do you wish. Do you want ban on talking about USA? Or only ban on this kind of talking about USA, which you don't like?
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Postby dzurisova » 02-Nov-06 17:48

What I wish is that those who want to have international debates about politics would go to forums designed to have international debates about politics. I don't wish to have those debates so I didn't join a forum to have an international debate.

I wish to learn about the Czech culture and language so I joined a forum that is designed to educate others about the czech culture and language.

I don't want to ban public speach. But there is a time and place for each type of speech. Forums are designed to bring together those around the world who wish to talk about certain things. This forum was designed to talk about the Czech Republic and those who join it want and should talk about that. If you want to trash Bush and the USA then join a forum designed to do so. Why do they insist on bringing it to this forum which was designed for something completely different.

It ruins the forum for those of us who don't wish to hear it; for those of us who simply joined the forum to discuss and learn more about the Czech culture and language.

For example, if I want to shop for new clothes, I wouldn't go to a junk yard that sells used auto parts and junk I don't care to dig through. I'd also get really upset if my usual clothing store started allowing the junk yard to sell it's crap there and I had to dig through it's crap to find the nice clothing I wanted. This forum is great and has a lot of good info. But lately I'm having to dig through the junk I don't care to read to get the info I'm interested in.

Just as I would want the clothing store to stick to clothing, I'd like this forum to stick to it original purpose and those who want to discuss international politics to find the appropriate forum in which to do so.

It's a shame this forum is getting cluttered with something outside it's original purpose.
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Postby dzurisova » 02-Nov-06 18:20

I'd like to clarify that I'm not asking the website itself to BAN all discussion on international politics. I'm simply asking the website members to take those discussions to the appropriate forums instead of cluttering this forum with it.

I'm simply stating my preference and asking the members to find a different forum in which to trash my president and country and allow this forum to serve its original purpose. If the members don't want to find a different forum and continue to use this one to trash my president and country than that is their choice. I then also have a choice. I can choose to stop participating in this forum or put up with it.

I simply thought it couldn't hurt to ask.
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Postby Ceit » 02-Nov-06 21:49

I don't think international debates are quite the problem here. The source of irritation, as I see it, is that people take it upon themselves to make the US the focus of attention, without making any connections to the Czech Republic, let alone any other country; it's debate on US policy/government/history/etc. unrelated to anything else in the world, kind of like things are in real life (sorry, couldn't resist sticking my two cents in :P ). I'm no supporter of King George the Dubya and I'm no patriot, at least not in sense of the dictionary definition. But I also get a little bothered when people take advantage of any opportunity to give soliloquies on their own pet topics which have little or nothing to do with the original purpose of the thread or the forum, whether I agree with their politics or not. And after other posters politely point this out, they persist, and not only the first offender, but others join in as well. Granted, they may really be interested in learning about Czech culture, history and so on, but you would never know it from their posts. I couldn't support a ban on spouting personal opinions, misplaced as they may be, but maybe we should just ignore these people who seem to only be looking for a fight, or ask to have every America debate diverted from the original thread, instead of responding and egging them on.

There, my b!tching is over, I feel better, thanks.
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Postby gypzy » 03-Nov-06 6:45

While I'm not defending or making excuses for people who get off topic and rip on the US I will give an "Oprahistic" or "Dr. Philish" explanation for this. There is only 4 days left to American midterm election and I think everyone, on both sides of the iasle, are stressed. Unfortunately, They come to this message board and complain politically about what they don't like in the US. It woudn't be so bad if the topic were "comparing Czech political views to American views" or something along that line.
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For people who are stressed about elections go on YOU TUBE and type in "fake political ads" for a search. You will be glad you did.

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Postby eso » 03-Nov-06 10:38

I apologize in advance for long post.

I want to answer so exact, how I am able to, how I feel about it. I wrote it in Czech for myself and I tried translate it to English best I could. Because I like your posts, dzurisovak, and I see you as decent person. However I want to express my point of view. Of course, everything is only my personal opinion.

Because USA are world power, they affect other countries, including Czech republic. What US government do, might affect my life. What CR government do don't affect Americans. For example, USA plan to build military missile base in CR is hot political issue here.

Czechs are interested in politics, even international. People talk about it at home, at work, in pubs or public transport. It's common thing.

You probably will not like it, but if citizen of powerfull state demand something from citizen of small state, they aren't in the same position. Citizen of small state will be feel in disadvantage and he take a defense position. For example, your request - stop talking about international politics or I leaving - can be considered as ultimatum. Although I know you didn't mean it.

I like America and it's culture and people. I read many books and articles and saw many movies. But after all sometimes I don't understand American's behaviour. But I trying.

So, I do my best to keep international politics out of this forum, if it won't be in title of thread (and you can avoid them then).
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Postby dzurisova » 03-Nov-06 15:43

eso wrote:I apologize in advance for long post.


Well it was that long. I've typed much longer ones. :wink:

eso wrote: I like your posts, dzurisovak, and I see you as decent person.


Thank you

eso wrote:your request - stop talking about international politics or I leaving - can be considered as ultimatum. Although I know you didn't mean it.


Oh, please don't think that I was giving such an ultimatum. I in no way wanted to give that message. I said that I have a choice to either stop participating in the forum or put up with it. My comment about having a choice was said to merely point out that we all have freedom and we all have choices. It was in response to you asking what I wanted and I wanted to point out that I wasn't asking for a ban of free speech by this website. I'm not asking the website to ban such posts, but I'm asking others to allow the website to serve it's original purpose. Many of the people who get on this site are too friendly and helpful for me to leave just because I don't like continuously hearing about problems in the US. In fact, they are friendly enough that I felt free to voice my feelings here and I knew I would be heard. (Please note, when I say "heard" that doesn't mean I thought everyone would comply to my request, but that they would listen to my request and respond with sincerity.)

eso wrote: Because USA are world power, they affect other countries, including Czech republic. What US government do, might affect my life. What CR government do don't affect Americans.


You're right and I apoligize for not considering that. It seems, though, that many of the posts complaining about the States are coming from American citizens. But as I said earlier, there are forums created for such objectives.

It just seems that lately there are so many posts complaining about the States that has nothing to do with CR. As gypzy said, perhaps its due to the upcoming elections. Maybe if/when the dems win congress on Tuesday, it will settle down and there won't be so much complaining. :wink: (Not that I'm hoping the dems win, but the polls seem to point in that direction. There are some personal advantages to them winning though, so I won't be that upset if they do) :wink:

Thanks guys for hearing me out. Your responses allow me to feel well-heard. :)
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